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Finding Common Ground in Cyber Warfare
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49:51 - 57:41 (07:49)

The difficulty of coming to an agreement with transnational actors and cyber criminals due to the uncertainty of their alliances with state actors, the arms race between countries in offensive hacking tools, and the potential for mutually assured destruction in the cyber realm.

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We make it so easy for threat actors.
49:51 - 51:23 (01:31)
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Summary

We make it so easy for threat actors. The moral calculus that drew me to the zero-day market was the moral calculus that we talked about, particularly from the US government's point of view. The Vatican is one of the few countries that is trying to find offensive hacking tools in zero-days to make them work.

Chapter
Finding Common Ground in Cyber Warfare
Episode
#266 – Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar
Podcast
Lex Fridman Podcast
The goal of cyber warfare is chaos, and it can be achieved for much less money than building the next fighter jet.
51:23 - 52:33 (01:10)
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Cyber Warfare
Summary

The goal of cyber warfare is chaos, and it can be achieved for much less money than building the next fighter jet. With numerous attack vectors on each other, a mutually shared destruction equilibrium is possible. However, nuclear analogies tend to fall apart when it comes to cyber warfare.

Chapter
Finding Common Ground in Cyber Warfare
Episode
#266 – Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar
Podcast
Lex Fridman Podcast
Journalist Nicole Perlroth recounts her experiences with receiving government warnings about the severity of a cyber threat, as well as discovering that the US had also been hacking into the Russian grid.
52:33 - 55:11 (02:38)
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Cybersecurity
Summary

Journalist Nicole Perlroth recounts her experiences with receiving government warnings about the severity of a cyber threat, as well as discovering that the US had also been hacking into the Russian grid.

Chapter
Finding Common Ground in Cyber Warfare
Episode
#266 – Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar
Podcast
Lex Fridman Podcast
The challenge in cybersecurity is to come to an agreement among different states when dealing with transnational actors and cyber criminals who are difficult to pin down.
55:11 - 57:41 (02:29)
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Cybersecurity
Summary

The challenge in cybersecurity is to come to an agreement among different states when dealing with transnational actors and cyber criminals who are difficult to pin down. Attribution remains one of the fundamental differences between cyber attacks and nuclear weapons.

Chapter
Finding Common Ground in Cyber Warfare
Episode
#266 – Nicole Perlroth: Cybersecurity and the Weapons of Cyberwar
Podcast
Lex Fridman Podcast