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Strange Conversation About Losing a Daughter
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42:27 - 49:26 (06:59)

A woman shares a strange conversation she had with another woman who suggested that they would be happy together if their daughters were dead, leaving them with only their two remaining children.

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Valerie becomes fixated on John's daughter and demands that he covers up a tattoo of her name on his arm, stating that if he wants to be with her and her kids, he must comply.
42:27 - 43:51 (01:23)
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Obsessive Behavior
Summary

Valerie becomes fixated on John's daughter and demands that he covers up a tattoo of her name on his arm, stating that if he wants to be with her and her kids, he must comply. She also obsessively searches for information about his daughter on social media.

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Strange Conversation About Losing a Daughter
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A conversation about grief and loss, where one person suggests that if the other's daughter was also dead, they could be happy together with the remaining children.
43:51 - 46:26 (02:34)
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Grief
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A conversation about grief and loss, where one person suggests that if the other's daughter was also dead, they could be happy together with the remaining children.

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Strange Conversation About Losing a Daughter
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John recounts the moment when his co-conspirator Valerie withdrew $7,000 from the bank to pay a hitman to kill her ex-husband and his new wife, and how he tried to stall her using an excuse about gold coins.
46:26 - 47:07 (00:40)
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Murder for hire
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John recounts the moment when his co-conspirator Valerie withdrew $7,000 from the bank to pay a hitman to kill her ex-husband and his new wife, and how he tried to stall her using an excuse about gold coins.

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A man shares how an investigator posed as a hitman to catch his girlfriend attempting to have his daughter killed.
47:07 - 49:26 (02:19)
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Crime
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A man shares how an investigator posed as a hitman to catch his girlfriend attempting to have his daughter killed. He played the role of the faithful boyfriend, even pretending to be okay with the idea of having his own daughter killed.

Chapter
Strange Conversation About Losing a Daughter
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Hit List
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Dateline NBC