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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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2:11:27
Published: Fri Apr 29 2022
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Grimes is a musician, artist, singer, songwriter, producer, and director. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Brave: https://brave.com/lex - Novo: https://novo.co/lex - Lambda: https://lambdalabs.com/lex - Public Goods: https://publicgoods.com/lex and use code LEX to get $15 off - Blinkist: https://blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium EPISODE LINKS: Grimes's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Grimezsz Grimes's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/grimes PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (08:24) - Identity (12:22) - Music production (25:13) - Spotify (29:55) - Experimental music (32:30) - Vision of future (45:04) - Motherhood (1:01:11) - Consciousness (1:16:01) - Love (1:21:52) - Metaverse (1:34:34) - Technology and bureaucracy (1:38:32) - Mortality (1:46:57) - Understanding evil (1:50:55) - Last person on Earth (1:53:33) - Dan Carlin (1:56:03) - Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (2:02:28) - Coolest human invention (2:03:49) - Advice for young people (2:07:01) - Meaning of life

Chapters
The podcast features an interview with Grimes, a versatile artist who talks about her interests in the history and future of human civilization.
00:00 - 00:54 (00:54)
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Grimes
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The podcast features an interview with Grimes, a versatile artist who talks about her interests in the history and future of human civilization. She reflects on her studies of the dark periods of our past to help form an optimistic vision of our future.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The lack of competition results in bureaucracy and slow-moving innovation.
00:54 - 05:27 (04:33)
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Innovation
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The lack of competition results in bureaucracy and slow-moving innovation. However, despite the browser wars, there is still incredible innovation occurring, often from those who participated in the early battles.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
It's technically possible to achieve faster than light travel through general relativity, but it would require manipulating space and time in complex and unstable ways.
05:28 - 10:32 (05:04)
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Physics, General Relativity
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It's technically possible to achieve faster than light travel through general relativity, but it would require manipulating space and time in complex and unstable ways. In contrast, recording vocals can sometimes be easier with a good microphone for vibing out.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
Technology and the ease of access to music and video-making has changed the approach to artistic creation.
10:32 - 14:32 (04:00)
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Technology
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Technology and the ease of access to music and video-making has changed the approach to artistic creation. However, it also impacts the artist's personality and may lead to a shift from being confident to introverted.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
Jack Antonoff discusses his unconventional approach to music production and how many successful producers today are self-taught wizards fueled by computer availability and a creative passion.
14:32 - 19:07 (04:34)
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Music Production
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Jack Antonoff discusses his unconventional approach to music production and how many successful producers today are self-taught wizards fueled by computer availability and a creative passion.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The podcast hosts compare the role of engineers and creators in making open world games to music producers- both being hidden archetypes with similar processes where nobody knows what they do.
19:07 - 25:06 (05:58)
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Game Design
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The podcast hosts compare the role of engineers and creators in making open world games to music producers- both being hidden archetypes with similar processes where nobody knows what they do. They also talk about the common issue of authenticity and copyright in both industries.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The podcast discusses the utilization of technology, such as smart contracts and blockchain, in music creation and distribution, and how much of music creation is influenced by fitting into cultural trends versus coming up with something completely new.
25:06 - 30:29 (05:23)
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Technology and Music Creation
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The podcast discusses the utilization of technology, such as smart contracts and blockchain, in music creation and distribution, and how much of music creation is influenced by fitting into cultural trends versus coming up with something completely new.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The capacity for change in the brain decreases as we age, and this is why marketing new music is typically targeted at younger demographics.
30:29 - 33:46 (03:17)
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Technology
Summary

The capacity for change in the brain decreases as we age, and this is why marketing new music is typically targeted at younger demographics. But as technology advances, the continued ability for humans to adapt and be more open to change may play a crucial role in shaping the future.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The idea of striving for a perfect, utopian society may feel hopeless, but a Protopian future where super intelligence and biological beings coexist in harmony is a more realistic vision of the future.
33:46 - 37:06 (03:19)
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Protopian future
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The idea of striving for a perfect, utopian society may feel hopeless, but a Protopian future where super intelligence and biological beings coexist in harmony is a more realistic vision of the future.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The idea of an artificial hell for people who commit crime, and a simulated war to decide whether or not to have it, sparks a discussion on the potential evolution of the human brain in response to advancements in technology and societal norms.
37:06 - 41:43 (04:37)
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Artificial intelligence, technology
Summary

The idea of an artificial hell for people who commit crime, and a simulated war to decide whether or not to have it, sparks a discussion on the potential evolution of the human brain in response to advancements in technology and societal norms.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The author is a feminist.
41:43 - 50:02 (08:19)
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Grimes talks about her last album, Miss Anthropocene, and how it was a study in villainy with lyrics inspired by the creation of new gods and a hopeful view towards the future.
50:02 - 53:58 (03:56)
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Art and Culture
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Grimes talks about her last album, Miss Anthropocene, and how it was a study in villainy with lyrics inspired by the creation of new gods and a hopeful view towards the future.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The human brain needs violence to a certain extent, but we can reorient ourselves from our primitive brains that function through scarcity and into a more optimized, creativity-driven purpose by understanding how social media optimizes to increase cortisol levels.
53:58 - 1:06:17 (12:18)
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Technology
Summary

The human brain needs violence to a certain extent, but we can reorient ourselves from our primitive brains that function through scarcity and into a more optimized, creativity-driven purpose by understanding how social media optimizes to increase cortisol levels.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The trauma caused by infant pain should be studied, with the aim of developing better approaches to address it.
1:06:17 - 1:09:36 (03:18)
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Infant Pain
Summary

The trauma caused by infant pain should be studied, with the aim of developing better approaches to address it. This could be beneficial for future generations of infants and parents.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The value of consciousness could be considered sacred in terms of religious or spiritual belief as there is something extraordinary about humans dance around their limitations and come up with creative solutions.
1:09:36 - 1:16:11 (06:34)
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Consciousness
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The value of consciousness could be considered sacred in terms of religious or spiritual belief as there is something extraordinary about humans dance around their limitations and come up with creative solutions. Although AI may surpass human intelligence, our unique constraints and limitations present opportunities for creative problem-solving.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The conversation discusses the idea of sacrificing certain things in order to keep your family together and what our true values are as a society.
1:16:11 - 1:24:28 (08:17)
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Society
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The conversation discusses the idea of sacrificing certain things in order to keep your family together and what our true values are as a society. They delve into the concept of violence and how it has been perceived as the mean by which we become better as a society.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The podcast shares the story of an indie musician who accidentally got caught up in geopolitical and financial matters and lost control of his own narrative.
1:24:28 - 1:29:26 (04:57)
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Indie Musician
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The podcast shares the story of an indie musician who accidentally got caught up in geopolitical and financial matters and lost control of his own narrative. He laments the emotional investment people place on him and feels disincentivized to keep making art.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The emergence of memes as an art form is beautiful as it is a collective, egoless, and anonymous project that makes people's day and adds humor to their lives.
1:29:26 - 1:39:28 (10:01)
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Memes
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The emergence of memes as an art form is beautiful as it is a collective, egoless, and anonymous project that makes people's day and adds humor to their lives. Despite memes being around for a while, they continue to exist as a decentralized, emergent art form that people do not appreciate enough.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
In the world of Dune, immortality poses issues because wisdom doesn't always come with age and power corrupts.
1:39:28 - 1:43:29 (04:01)
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Dune
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In the world of Dune, immortality poses issues because wisdom doesn't always come with age and power corrupts. Younger generations lack wisdom and seek radical solutions, while some argue that accepting death is key.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The podcast discusses Stuart Russell's idea of injecting uncertainty and humility into super intelligent AI systems as they get wiser, so they are never entirely sure, and the importance of balancing exploration and optimization in technology advancement.
1:43:29 - 1:47:06 (03:36)
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AI, technology
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The podcast discusses Stuart Russell's idea of injecting uncertainty and humility into super intelligent AI systems as they get wiser, so they are never entirely sure, and the importance of balancing exploration and optimization in technology advancement.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The existence of algorithmically created dialects in social media is leading to arguments and polarization that could be prevented with better understanding of language differences.
1:47:06 - 1:50:53 (03:47)
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Social Media
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The existence of algorithmically created dialects in social media is leading to arguments and polarization that could be prevented with better understanding of language differences. Different dialects can express the same sentiment, but use different verbiage, leading to misunderstandings.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
This podcast episode explores the idea of being alone, the beauty of it, and the noise that gets in the way of enjoying solitude, such as the fear and anxiety of being lonely.
1:50:53 - 1:53:38 (02:44)
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Solitude
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This podcast episode explores the idea of being alone, the beauty of it, and the noise that gets in the way of enjoying solitude, such as the fear and anxiety of being lonely.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
In this podcast, the speaker reflects on the importance of curiosity in driving learning and discusses the benefits of independent learning in inspiring curiosity and gaining knowledge.
1:53:38 - 1:58:05 (04:27)
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Learning
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In this podcast, the speaker reflects on the importance of curiosity in driving learning and discusses the benefits of independent learning in inspiring curiosity and gaining knowledge.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The speaker reflects on how the level of technology that humans have become reliant on can be easily taken away or lost, as exemplified by some countries that have supposedly moved past that stage.
1:58:05 - 2:04:47 (06:41)
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Technological Progress
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The speaker reflects on how the level of technology that humans have become reliant on can be easily taken away or lost, as exemplified by some countries that have supposedly moved past that stage. The fear is that this can happen in other places that have made advancements towards modernization, as humans are constantly evolving and adapting to technology.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
The transcript includes rambling statements that don't make sense and don't provide valuable information.
2:04:47 - 2:10:39 (05:52)
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Rambling
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The transcript includes rambling statements that don't make sense and don't provide valuable information.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast
Joe Rogan talks with Grimes about her life, career, and creative process.
2:10:39 - 2:11:48 (01:08)
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Grimes
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Joe Rogan talks with Grimes about her life, career, and creative process. They also discuss various topics such as artificial intelligence, mythology, and the future of humanity.

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#281 – Grimes: Music, AI, and the Future of Humanity
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Lex Fridman Podcast