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#208 – Jeff Hawkins: The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence
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Published: Sun Aug 08 2021
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Jeff Hawkins is a neuroscientist and cofounder of Numenta, a neuroscience research company. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Codecademy: https://codecademy.com and use code LEX to get 15% off - BiOptimizers: http://www.magbreakthrough.com/lex to get 10% off - ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod and use code LexPod to get 3 months free - Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com/lex and use code LEX to get special savings - Blinkist: https://blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium EPISODE LINKS: A Thousand Brain (book): https://amzn.to/3AmxJt7 Numenta's Twitter: https://twitter.com/Numenta Numenta's Website: https://numenta.com/ PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (10:35) - Collective intelligence (17:17) - The origin of intelligence in the human brain (30:31) - How intelligent life evolved on Earth (41:30) - Why humans are special in the universe (44:48) - Neurons (49:02) - A Thousand Brains theory of intelligence (57:42) - How to build superintelligent AI (1:15:41) - Sam Harris and existential risk of AI (1:27:43) - Neuralink (1:34:34) - Will AI prevent the self-destruction of human civilization? (1:40:05) - Communicating human knowledge to alien civilizations (1:50:22) - Devil's advocate (1:55:16) - Human nature (2:03:39) - Hardware for AI (2:10:18) - Advice for young people

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Jeff Hawkins presents his new theory of intelligence in A Thousand Brains, exploring the potential for disaster that could cause the loss of all human knowledge.
00:00 - 04:34 (04:34)
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Intelligence
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Jeff Hawkins presents his new theory of intelligence in A Thousand Brains, exploring the potential for disaster that could cause the loss of all human knowledge.

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The speaker reflects on the pursuit of happiness and introduces a new magnesium supplement, while avoiding delving into a philosophical discussion on the topic.
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The speaker reflects on the pursuit of happiness and introduces a new magnesium supplement, while avoiding delving into a philosophical discussion on the topic.

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#208 – Jeff Hawkins: The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence
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The cognitive AI models created by tech companies have a comprehensive understanding of the world and human behavior, but it's not a one-size-fits-all solution for all humans, as everyone has their own model of the world which is constantly being updated.
09:00 - 13:46 (04:46)
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The cognitive AI models created by tech companies have a comprehensive understanding of the world and human behavior, but it's not a one-size-fits-all solution for all humans, as everyone has their own model of the world which is constantly being updated.

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The brain is crucial in understanding intelligence and is a great place to study it.
13:46 - 17:09 (03:23)
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Intelligence
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The brain is crucial in understanding intelligence and is a great place to study it. Language, which is built into the brain, plays a key part in collective intelligence.

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The Thousand Brains Theory suggests that the brain's neocortex learns about the world by creating different models, including visual and auditory models, and employing voting neurons to identify common features of these different models.
17:10 - 20:56 (03:45)
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Neuroscience
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The Thousand Brains Theory suggests that the brain's neocortex learns about the world by creating different models, including visual and auditory models, and employing voting neurons to identify common features of these different models.

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#208 – Jeff Hawkins: The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence
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The ability to learn a model is the essence of intelligence, as our model enables us to understand the structure and behavior of the world around us, and the more developed the model is, the smarter we become.
20:56 - 25:47 (04:51)
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Intelligence
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The ability to learn a model is the essence of intelligence, as our model enables us to understand the structure and behavior of the world around us, and the more developed the model is, the smarter we become.

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The ability to make intelligent predictions is a key part of building models and learning, as it allows us to understand where our model is wrong - which is essential for the development of intelligence.
25:47 - 32:00 (06:13)
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Artificial Intelligence
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The ability to make intelligent predictions is a key part of building models and learning, as it allows us to understand where our model is wrong - which is essential for the development of intelligence.

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This podcast discusses the theories and evidence supporting the idea that the mechanisms for mapping space in the brain were repackaged and incorporated into the neocortex through the use of similar grid cell and place cell neurons.
32:00 - 38:00 (05:59)
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Neuroscience
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This podcast discusses the theories and evidence supporting the idea that the mechanisms for mapping space in the brain were repackaged and incorporated into the neocortex through the use of similar grid cell and place cell neurons.

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#208 – Jeff Hawkins: The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence
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The neocortex is responsible for all language usage and high-level planning and thinking, including computer programming and music creation.
38:00 - 42:02 (04:02)
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Neocortex
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The neocortex is responsible for all language usage and high-level planning and thinking, including computer programming and music creation.

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The human brain has unique knowledge about understanding the universe, and the functioning of a neuron cell.
42:02 - 47:06 (05:04)
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Brain functions
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The human brain has unique knowledge about understanding the universe, and the functioning of a neuron cell.

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The hippocampus and entorhinal cortex in the brain hold a reference frame for room and environment, allowing for predictions to be made about varying contexts, which could lead to more insight into the prediction capabilities of groups of neurons.
47:06 - 53:02 (05:56)
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Brain Predictions
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The hippocampus and entorhinal cortex in the brain hold a reference frame for room and environment, allowing for predictions to be made about varying contexts, which could lead to more insight into the prediction capabilities of groups of neurons.

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#208 – Jeff Hawkins: The Thousand Brains Theory of Intelligence
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The same mechanism humans use to model objects like coffee cups and water bottles is also used to understand higher level concepts such as history, democracy and mathematics.
53:02 - 58:39 (05:36)
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Cognitive Science
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The same mechanism humans use to model objects like coffee cups and water bottles is also used to understand higher level concepts such as history, democracy and mathematics.

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In this episode, we discuss the intersection between learning and robotics, including the use of algorithms for controlling robots and how robotics can lead to a better understanding of the structure of the world.
58:39 - 1:02:47 (04:07)
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Robotics
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In this episode, we discuss the intersection between learning and robotics, including the use of algorithms for controlling robots and how robotics can lead to a better understanding of the structure of the world.

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The impact of Artificial Intelligence is going to be larger than computing has been in the last century.
1:02:48 - 1:05:56 (03:08)
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Artificial Intelligence
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The impact of Artificial Intelligence is going to be larger than computing has been in the last century. A lot of elements would need to be taken into consideration for the successful operation of robots, computers and intelligent systems.

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Understanding ourselves as conscious entities that operate in this world can help us make sense of it.
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Understanding ourselves as conscious entities that operate in this world can help us make sense of it. The desire to live is built into our DNA through evolution.

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The challenge in pedestrian-car interactions is building a modeling system where they can trust each other.
1:09:07 - 1:12:30 (03:23)
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The challenge in pedestrian-car interactions is building a modeling system where they can trust each other. The car would need to consider the human limitations of pedestrians and the pedestrian would have to trust that the car would keep them safe.

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The neocortex is responsible for creating an intelligent modeling system for predictions, but it requires building safeguards to prevent undesirable outcomes.
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The neocortex is responsible for creating an intelligent modeling system for predictions, but it requires building safeguards to prevent undesirable outcomes. Learned interactions are also important, as different cultures have different interactions that affect how they interact with intelligent systems.

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Artificial Intelligence
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As we continue to create more intelligent machines, the temptation to create self-reproducing systems becomes greater, leading to potential dangers that should be carefully monitored and prevented. The possibility of bad actors doing dangerous things and the risk of creating a self-replicating system must be avoided.

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The practical challenges of merging human brains with AI in the next few decades may be the barriers of the biological aspect and surgery necessary to implement it, which raises safety concerns.
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AI
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Elon Musk talks about the potential future of intelligent machines and how they will differ from humans, citing the example of dinosaurs, whose existence we can only observe through fossils.
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1:45:47 - 1:50:49 (05:02)
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The speaker seems to be discussing a topic that is unclear and is unsure of the functionality and operations of it, comparing it to laws of physics.
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1:55:55 - 2:00:07 (04:12)
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2:00:07 - 2:03:35 (03:27)
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The speaker talks about his interest in understanding how the brain works and his fascination with it.
2:10:05 - 2:14:41 (04:36)
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Neuroscience
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The speaker talks about his interest in understanding how the brain works and his fascination with it.

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David Foster Wallace believed that the key to life is finding joy in intensity, even if it means suffering for years to achieve it.
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2:17:50 - 2:24:47 (06:57)
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In this podcast episode, the conversation is centered around the human brain and the theory of intelligence with Jeff Hawkins, the co-founder of Numenta and the inventor of the PalmPilot.
2:24:48 - 2:25:51 (01:03)
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