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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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Published: Thu Feb 18 2021
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Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs) | Brought to you by Four Sigmatic mushroom coffee, Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating, and LinkedIn Jobs recruitment platform with ~700M users. More on all three below.Katie Haun (@katie_haun) is a general partner at Andreessen Horowitz. Previously, she spent a decade as a federal prosecutor with the US Department of Justice where she focused on fraud, cyber, and corporate crime alongside agencies including the SEC, FBI, and Treasury. She created the government’s first cryptocurrency task force and led investigations into the Mt. Gox hack and the corrupt agents on the Silk Road task force.While serving as a federal prosecutor with the U.S. Department of Justice, she also prosecuted RICO murders, organized crime, public corruption, gangs, and money laundering. She held senior positions at Justice Department headquarters in both the National Security Division and Attorney General’s office where her portfolio included antitrust, tax, and national security. Katie has testified before both houses of Congress on the intersection of technology and regulation.Katie serves on the board of Coinbase, where she chairs its audit and risk committees, and HackerOne. She also advises numerous technology companies and has invested in a range of companies from seed to Series C stage. She teaches a class on cryptocurrencies at Stanford Business School and previously taught cybercrime at Stanford Law School.She clerked for US Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy and is an honors graduate of Stanford Law School. She is a lifetime member of the Council on Foreign Relations.Please enjoy!This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn Jobs. Whether you are looking to hire now for a critical role or thinking about needs that you may have in the future, LinkedIn Jobs can help. LinkedIn screens candidates for the hard and soft skills you’re looking for and puts your job in front of candidates looking for job opportunities that match what you have to offer.Using LinkedIn’s active community of more than 722 million professionals worldwide, LinkedIn Jobs can help you find and hire the right person faster. When your business is ready to make that next hire, find the right person with LinkedIn Jobs. And now, you can post a job for free. Just visit LinkedIn.com/Tim.*This episode is also brought to you by Eight Sleep! Eight Sleep’s Pod Pro Cover is the easiest and fastest way to sleep at the perfect temperature. 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I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, and many more. 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The pod pro cover by 8 sleep is a simple device that can be used to sleep as cool as 55 degrees Fahrenheit or as hot as 110 degrees Fahrenheit.
00:00 - 02:15 (02:15)
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Science/Tech
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The pod pro cover by 8 sleep is a simple device that can be used to sleep as cool as 55 degrees Fahrenheit or as hot as 110 degrees Fahrenheit.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The podcast host discusses health hacks with guest Katie Wells, including the benefits of switching to mushroom coffee in the mornings and exploring interesting subjects suggested by previous guest Naval Ravikant.
02:15 - 08:00 (05:44)
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Health
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The podcast host discusses health hacks with guest Katie Wells, including the benefits of switching to mushroom coffee in the mornings and exploring interesting subjects suggested by previous guest Naval Ravikant.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
This episode talks about the Silk Road website and its mastermind, known as DPR, and how an undercover federal agent helped the US government bring him down along with the illegal activities on the site.
08:00 - 12:16 (04:16)
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Silk Road
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This episode talks about the Silk Road website and its mastermind, known as DPR, and how an undercover federal agent helped the US government bring him down along with the illegal activities on the site.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
Ross Ulbricht, the mastermind behind Silk Road, was caught due to a simple mistake - using the same handle, "Altoid," in multiple locations with his email address, leaving digital breadcrumbs that ultimately led to his arrest.
12:16 - 16:44 (04:27)
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Silk Road
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Ross Ulbricht, the mastermind behind Silk Road, was caught due to a simple mistake - using the same handle, "Altoid," in multiple locations with his email address, leaving digital breadcrumbs that ultimately led to his arrest.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
Blockchain technology was essential in solving the Silk Road case as it enabled the authorities to obtain critical records and trace stolen Bitcoins, including those transferred to a bankrupt Japanese exchange, which uncovered evidence of a secret service agent's fraudulent activities and theft of 25,000 Bitcoins.
16:44 - 22:18 (05:34)
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Blockchain
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Blockchain technology was essential in solving the Silk Road case as it enabled the authorities to obtain critical records and trace stolen Bitcoins, including those transferred to a bankrupt Japanese exchange, which uncovered evidence of a secret service agent's fraudulent activities and theft of 25,000 Bitcoins.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
A federal prosecutor and a team of agents use their knowledge of the blockchain to identify and convict the perpetrator behind the theft of 25,000 Bitcoins from the Silk Road, in addition to the individual who was extorting Silk Road operator Ross Ulbricht.
22:18 - 25:49 (03:30)
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Bitcoin, Silk Road
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A federal prosecutor and a team of agents use their knowledge of the blockchain to identify and convict the perpetrator behind the theft of 25,000 Bitcoins from the Silk Road, in addition to the individual who was extorting Silk Road operator Ross Ulbricht.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The job of a prosecutor involves charging the right case, meeting with witnesses, and making arguments in court before a judge.
25:49 - 33:47 (07:58)
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Legal System
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The job of a prosecutor involves charging the right case, meeting with witnesses, and making arguments in court before a judge. They also try to persuade witnesses to flip and bring evidence to bear in developing a case.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
A former law enforcement officer recounts examples of high profile cases including a biker murder case involving the Mongols and the Hells Angels.
33:47 - 38:08 (04:20)
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Law Enforcement
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A former law enforcement officer recounts examples of high profile cases including a biker murder case involving the Mongols and the Hells Angels.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The podcast discusses the importance of personal safety when dealing with violent groups and corporations, especially in cases that involve jury intimidation at trials such as the Hells Angels and the Mongols.
38:08 - 45:55 (07:46)
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Personal Safety
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The podcast discusses the importance of personal safety when dealing with violent groups and corporations, especially in cases that involve jury intimidation at trials such as the Hells Angels and the Mongols. Standing up against powerful corporations like Google can show fearlessness but may also lead to certain personal risks.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
In this episode, the discussion focuses on the pressure of going to prison and how individuals would react in these situations, including the consequences of violating gang oaths.
45:55 - 50:10 (04:15)
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prison
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In this episode, the discussion focuses on the pressure of going to prison and how individuals would react in these situations, including the consequences of violating gang oaths.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The government needs to engage in more dialogue with the cryptocurrency industry to understand the benefits and consequences of its technology rather than just prosecuting nefarious uses.
50:10 - 56:23 (06:12)
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Cryptocurrency
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The government needs to engage in more dialogue with the cryptocurrency industry to understand the benefits and consequences of its technology rather than just prosecuting nefarious uses. There are many people in the government who are knowledgeable about cryptocurrency and support its potential.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
This podcast explores the different perspectives around the pro and anti-crypto stance, discussing the broad strokes of true believers, simplistic arguments of anti-crypto individuals, and the importance of government keeping in touch with the crypto industry while maintaining boundaries.
56:23 - 1:01:17 (04:54)
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Crypto
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This podcast explores the different perspectives around the pro and anti-crypto stance, discussing the broad strokes of true believers, simplistic arguments of anti-crypto individuals, and the importance of government keeping in touch with the crypto industry while maintaining boundaries.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
This episode discusses the emergence of Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs), the accessibility of industry lingo and how NFTs differentiate from traditional tokens like Bitcoin and Ethereum.
1:01:17 - 1:05:56 (04:39)
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NFTs
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This episode discusses the emergence of Non-Fungible Tokens (NFTs), the accessibility of industry lingo and how NFTs differentiate from traditional tokens like Bitcoin and Ethereum.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The concept of cryptocurrency is often compared to collecting rare baseball cards.
1:05:56 - 1:10:54 (04:57)
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Cryptocurrency
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The concept of cryptocurrency is often compared to collecting rare baseball cards. No matter who you are, you need to transfer value at some point to get something, and cryptocurrency makes this easier than ever before.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The mobile payments industry is evolving in a way where digital currency is becoming more available.
1:10:54 - 1:15:04 (04:09)
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Crypto, Mobile Payments
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The mobile payments industry is evolving in a way where digital currency is becoming more available. Content creators may benefit from this evolution through avoiding remittance fees and easily receiving payments.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
Former intelligence officer and cryptocurrency advocate urges caution in government regulation, stating that over-regulation may force innovation offshore and hinder the progress of the technology.
1:15:04 - 1:23:17 (08:12)
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Cryptocurrency
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Former intelligence officer and cryptocurrency advocate urges caution in government regulation, stating that over-regulation may force innovation offshore and hinder the progress of the technology.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The conversation contemplates the future of cryptocurrency and digital governments, and the likelihood of the US and other countries embracing cryptocurrencies or creating their own digital currencies.
1:23:17 - 1:28:34 (05:17)
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Cryptocurrency
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The conversation contemplates the future of cryptocurrency and digital governments, and the likelihood of the US and other countries embracing cryptocurrencies or creating their own digital currencies.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The question of what factors or events would cause a decrease in Bitcoin volatility to the extent that institutional investors like pension funds, endowments, and sovereign wealth funds begin allowing it in their portfolios is still unanswered.
1:28:34 - 1:32:40 (04:05)
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Bitcoin
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The question of what factors or events would cause a decrease in Bitcoin volatility to the extent that institutional investors like pension funds, endowments, and sovereign wealth funds begin allowing it in their portfolios is still unanswered. It's possible that as the curve smooths out and a small percentage of assets allocated for something like gold or its equivalent switches over to Bitcoin, we will see more adoption from larger investors.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The podcast touches on early adopters of cryptocurrency by companies and institutions, while also exploring a personal story of a serendipitous meeting between two people who discovered their relationship wasn't healthy for them.
1:32:40 - 1:36:14 (03:34)
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Cryptocurrency
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The podcast touches on early adopters of cryptocurrency by companies and institutions, while also exploring a personal story of a serendipitous meeting between two people who discovered their relationship wasn't healthy for them.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The guest speaker left their established legal career to work with companies in the crypto industry and building bridges between the government and crypto representatives to pave the way for the future of cryptocurrency.
1:36:15 - 1:43:51 (07:35)
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Crypto
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The guest speaker left their established legal career to work with companies in the crypto industry and building bridges between the government and crypto representatives to pave the way for the future of cryptocurrency.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The speaker attributes her success in the cryptocurrency industry to her mother's support and belief in her abilities.
1:43:51 - 1:47:15 (03:24)
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Cryptocurrency
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The speaker attributes her success in the cryptocurrency industry to her mother's support and belief in her abilities. She also references a mutual friend's family, specifically her friend's daughters, as a source of inspiration for pursuing her career.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The speaker discusses how important it is for young people to have the mindset that they can do anything they are passionate about, and highlights the importance of finding balance between work and play.
1:47:15 - 1:57:42 (10:27)
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Youth Development
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The speaker discusses how important it is for young people to have the mindset that they can do anything they are passionate about, and highlights the importance of finding balance between work and play.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The speaker recommends following writers on Medium and listening to podcasts for staying informed in the tech space, and encourages those who are not tech-savvy to not be intimidated and to give it a try.
1:57:42 - 2:03:34 (05:51)
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Technology
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The speaker recommends following writers on Medium and listening to podcasts for staying informed in the tech space, and encourages those who are not tech-savvy to not be intimidated and to give it a try.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The speaker frequently starts their mornings with mushroom coffee instead of regular coffee, and also offers a weekly email providing interesting information called Five Bullet Friday.
2:03:34 - 2:07:22 (03:47)
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Product Endorsement
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The speaker frequently starts their mornings with mushroom coffee instead of regular coffee, and also offers a weekly email providing interesting information called Five Bullet Friday.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Pod Pro Cover by Eight Sleep is a device that helps enhance sleep by reducing sleep interruptions and allowing for more restful sleep.
2:07:22 - 2:10:40 (03:18)
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Sleep
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The Pod Pro Cover by Eight Sleep is a device that helps enhance sleep by reducing sleep interruptions and allowing for more restful sleep. It works by controlling the temperature of the bed, minimizing one of the main causes of poor sleep which is root temperature.

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#499: Katie Haun on the Dark Web, Gangs, Investigating Bitcoin, and The New Magic of "Nifties" (NFTs)
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The Tim Ferriss Show