Episode
41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
Description
We all know by now that Zoom causes fatigue, social media spreads misinformation and Google Maps is wiping out our sense of direction. We also know, of course, that Zoom allows us to cooperate across continents, that social media connects us to our families and Google Maps keeps us from being lost. A lot of technological criticism today is about weighing whether a technology is good or bad, or judging its various uses. But there’s an older tradition of criticism that asks a more fundamental and nuanced question: How do these technologies change the people who use them, both for good and for bad? And what do the people who use them — all of us, in other words — actually want? Do we even know?L.M. Sacasas explores these questions in his great newsletter, “The Convivial Society.” His work is marrying the theorists of the 20th century — Hannah Arendt, C.S. Lewis, Ivan Illich, Marshall McLuhan, Neil Postman and more — to the technologies of the present day. I’ve found this merging of past thinkers and contemporary concerns revelatory in an era when we tend to take the shape of our world for granted and forget how it would look to those who stood outside it, or how it looked to those who were there at the inception of these tools and mediums.Sacasas recently published a list of 41 questions we should ask of the technologies and tools that shape our lives. What I loved about these questions is how they invite us to think not just about technologies, but about ourselves, and how we act and what we want and what, in the end, we truly value. So I asked him on the show to talk through some of them, and to see what light they shed on the lives we live.Mentioned: "The Questions Concerning Technology" by L. M. Sacasas"A Theory of Zoom Fatigue" by L. M. Sacasas"Do Artifacts Have Ethics?" by L. M. SacasasTechnics and Civilization by Lewis Mumford"Before We Make Out, Wanna Dismantle Capitalism?" by Emilia Petrarca"The Analog City and the Digital City" by L. M. Sacasas"The Materiality of Digital Culture" by L. M. Sacasas"When Silence Is Power" by L. M. SacasasBook recommendations: Tools for Conviviality by Ivan IllichThe Human Condition by Hannah ArendtTechnology and the Character of Contemporary Life by Albert BorgmannYou can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein.Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].“The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.
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The rejection from college newspaper led to a career in journalism that focuses on the intersection of technology and politics, and the need for technological advances to ease the politics of issues such as climate change and workers' rights.
00:00 - 01:48 (01:48)
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The rejection from college newspaper led to a career in journalism that focuses on the intersection of technology and politics, and the need for technological advances to ease the politics of issues such as climate change and workers' rights.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The integration of technology in our experience of reality can both positively and negatively impact our perception of the body and the world, and it is important to consider how it is shaping us in subtle ways.
01:48 - 08:30 (06:42)
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The integration of technology in our experience of reality can both positively and negatively impact our perception of the body and the world, and it is important to consider how it is shaping us in subtle ways.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The act of keeping records can lead to forgetfulness of the needs of the body, but can also create a more profound experience of growth.
08:30 - 13:36 (05:06)
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The act of keeping records can lead to forgetfulness of the needs of the body, but can also create a more profound experience of growth. This demonstrates how the mind-body connection can be transformed by external factors, and raises questions about whether this is positive or negative.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The speaker explains how the use of social media affects moral formation and the development of personal relationships, information gathering, and self-presentation, based on virtue ethics theories that focus on the importance of habits and inclinations.
13:36 - 18:41 (05:04)
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The speaker explains how the use of social media affects moral formation and the development of personal relationships, information gathering, and self-presentation, based on virtue ethics theories that focus on the importance of habits and inclinations.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The use of search engines and GPS can impact the way we perceive the world and people around us by directing our attention and changing our understanding of others.
18:40 - 27:56 (09:15)
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The use of search engines and GPS can impact the way we perceive the world and people around us by directing our attention and changing our understanding of others. Different cultures may also have varying perspectives on abiding by time.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The speaker highlights the impact of built-in categories and the lack of conviviality caused by the internet.
27:56 - 36:31 (08:34)
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The speaker highlights the impact of built-in categories and the lack of conviviality caused by the internet. They suggest reflecting on the environmental cost and investing in real-life relationships to help build our perception and understanding of the world around us.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The best way to challenge absurd or despicable messages in a network is to kill the message in your part of that network, says Ethan Zuckerman.
36:30 - 43:32 (07:01)
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The best way to challenge absurd or despicable messages in a network is to kill the message in your part of that network, says Ethan Zuckerman. He emphasizes that anxiety can be a motivating emotion, and social media can heighten it instead of alleviating it, making us more sensitive to deviations from normal patterns and rhythms.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The rise of electronic media has made it easier for people to communicate and consume information, leading to an overwhelming amount of content that needs to be filtered.
43:32 - 50:58 (07:25)
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The rise of electronic media has made it easier for people to communicate and consume information, leading to an overwhelming amount of content that needs to be filtered. This has led to the need for a discipline of not caring, or recognizing what doesn't need attention.
Episode41 Questions For The Technologies We Use, and That Use Us
PodcastThe Ezra Klein Show
The discussion on technology's impact on the distribution of agency and responsibility mainly focuses on autonomous vehicles and the question of who is accountable for their actions.
50:59 - 57:53 (06:54)
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The discussion on technology's impact on the distribution of agency and responsibility mainly focuses on autonomous vehicles and the question of who is accountable for their actions. Additionally, the conversation also explores how technology changes our perspective, which offers both positive and negative effects on our daily lives.