Episode
#106 – Matt Botvinick: Neuroscience, Psychology, and AI at DeepMind
2:01:00
Published: Fri Jul 03 2020
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Matt Botvinick is the Director of Neuroscience Research at DeepMind. He is a brilliant cross-disciplinary mind navigating effortlessly between cognitive psychology, computational neuroscience, and artificial intelligence. Support this podcast by supporting these sponsors: - The Jordan Harbinger Show: https://www.jordanharbinger.com/lex - Magic Spoon: https://magicspoon.com/lex and use code LEX at checkout If you would like to get more information about this podcast go to https://lexfridman.com/ai or connect with @lexfridman on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, Medium, or YouTube where you can watch the video versions of these conversations. If you enjoy the podcast, please rate it 5 stars on Apple Podcasts, follow on Spotify, or support it on Patreon. Here's the outline of the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. OUTLINE: 00:00 - Introduction 03:29 - How much of the brain do we understand? 14:26 - Psychology 22:53 - The paradox of the human brain 32:23 - Cognition is a function of the environment 39:34 - Prefrontal cortex 53:27 - Information processing in the brain 1:00:11 - Meta-reinforcement learning 1:15:18 - Dopamine 1:19:01 - Neuroscience and AI research 1:23:37 - Human side of AI 1:39:56 - Dopamine and reinforcement learning 1:53:07 - Can we create an AI that a human can love?
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