Episode
#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
3:04:47
Published: Sat Jan 15 2022
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Yaron Brook is an objectivist. Yoram Hazony is a national conservative. This is a conversation and debate about national conservatism vs individualism. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - Noom: https://trynoom.com/lex - InsideTracker: https://insidetracker.com/lex and use code Lex25 to get 25% off - SimpliSafe: https://simplisafe.com/lex and use code LEX to get a free security camera - ExpressVPN: https://expressvpn.com/lexpod and use code LexPod to get 3 months free - Blinkist: https://blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium EPISODE LINKS: Yaron's Twitter: https://twitter.com/yaronbrook Yaron's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/ybrook Yoram's Twitter: https://twitter.com/yhazony Yoram's Website: https://www.yoramhazony.org/ Yaron Brook's Books: In Pursuit of Wealth: https://amzn.to/3qmXuGo Equal Is Unfair: https://amzn.to/3FopKOV Yoram Hazony's Books: Conservatism: https://amzn.to/3sv0Nhe The Virtue of Nationalism: https://amzn.to/3mtxqs6 PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (09:11) - Conservatism (15:07) - Importance of history (27:09) - Rationalism vs empiricism (32:39) - Communism (40:43) - Otto von Bismarck (45:04) - Edmund Burke and the French Revolution (49:52) - USA's founding fathers (1:02:47) - Founding documents (1:24:36) - Cohesion and Individualism (1:45:29) - Love and relationships (1:53:41) - Individual freedom (2:08:08) - Having children (2:21:54) - Reason vs emotions (2:28:44) - Nationalism (2:40:56) - Finding love (2:52:44) - Hope for the future (2:58:08) - Meaning of life
Chapters
The host expresses his desire for respectful debates between individuals with differing views, discussing topics such as Nationalism vs Individualism or Conservatism vs Individualism in an empathetic manner.
00:00 - 02:26 (02:26)
Summary
The host expresses his desire for respectful debates between individuals with differing views, discussing topics such as Nationalism vs Individualism or Conservatism vs Individualism in an empathetic manner.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
SimpliSafe offers a security system that is easy to set up and monitor.
02:26 - 08:39 (06:13)
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SimpliSafe offers a security system that is easy to set up and monitor. Blinkist is a book summary service that helps readers get key ideas without having to read the whole book.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
In this episode, the host discusses the confusion that arises from different interpretations of the term "conservatism" and how its implementation differs from its ideal in the context of political conservatism.
08:39 - 15:34 (06:55)
Summary
In this episode, the host discusses the confusion that arises from different interpretations of the term "conservatism" and how its implementation differs from its ideal in the context of political conservatism.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
Yuval Noah Harari discusses the importance of studying history to derive principles that can result in human well-being and flourishing in the future.
15:34 - 22:29 (06:55)
Summary
Yuval Noah Harari discusses the importance of studying history to derive principles that can result in human well-being and flourishing in the future.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The founding fathers studied history to understand principles of human nature, economics and other aspects to get closer to perfection in their observations and discoveries about what is true.
22:29 - 26:22 (03:52)
Summary
The founding fathers studied history to understand principles of human nature, economics and other aspects to get closer to perfection in their observations and discoveries about what is true.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The rationalist philosophy of Descartes involves setting aside all inherited knowledge in search of truth challenged by new information, whereas the science of man focuses on studying human nature and societies.
26:22 - 32:46 (06:24)
Summary
The rationalist philosophy of Descartes involves setting aside all inherited knowledge in search of truth challenged by new information, whereas the science of man focuses on studying human nature and societies. However, the caveat for the latter is to proceed from self-evident premises.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
Despite some similarities and concerns, there are fundamental differences between conservatism and communism.
32:46 - 41:12 (08:25)
Summary
Despite some similarities and concerns, there are fundamental differences between conservatism and communism. Conservatism is generally tolerant of diverse types of societies, while communism comes from a tradition of collectivism.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
Bismarck's focus on state intervention and promotion of state growth has led to a negative impact on public education.
41:12 - 46:42 (05:30)
Summary
Bismarck's focus on state intervention and promotion of state growth has led to a negative impact on public education. The German tradition, which places the state above the individual, has heavily influenced the American model of public education which is copied from the Prussian Bismarckian system.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
This podcast talks about egalitarianism and how it can lead to mass death of whole groups of people.
46:42 - 52:13 (05:30)
Summary
This podcast talks about egalitarianism and how it can lead to mass death of whole groups of people. They discuss how a measured improvement towards a particular goal can be more effective than a sudden push for total equality.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The writers of the Constitution of the United States incorporated their knowledge of English government, and created a national government that united the states under one executive, legislative and big committee, with enough power to defend a unified people.
52:13 - 1:00:24 (08:11)
Summary
The writers of the Constitution of the United States incorporated their knowledge of English government, and created a national government that united the states under one executive, legislative and big committee, with enough power to defend a unified people.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The seven purposes of government include a more perfect union, justice, domestic peace, common defense, general welfare, liberty, and posterity.
1:00:24 - 1:06:30 (06:05)
Summary
The seven purposes of government include a more perfect union, justice, domestic peace, common defense, general welfare, liberty, and posterity. The conversation also touches on the role of government in education and the relationship between government and the church.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The expression "self-evident truth" can cause more harm than good since it can lead to a distorted view of human nature instead of a moderate sense of skepticism that acknowledges that we may not know everything.
1:06:30 - 1:11:37 (05:07)
Summary
The expression "self-evident truth" can cause more harm than good since it can lead to a distorted view of human nature instead of a moderate sense of skepticism that acknowledges that we may not know everything. Historical knowledge and a better understanding of human nature are essential to deriving truth, which cannot always be considered self-evident.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The Constitution is mostly consistent with the Declaration of Independence, except for the idea of general welfare.
1:11:37 - 1:16:50 (05:12)
Summary
The Constitution is mostly consistent with the Declaration of Independence, except for the idea of general welfare. Can there be a common good that is not just the sum of individual rights?
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The Bill of Rights was created to clarify and protect individual liberties, as many feared that without listing specific rights, other important liberties would be overlooked.
1:16:50 - 1:25:04 (08:13)
Summary
The Bill of Rights was created to clarify and protect individual liberties, as many feared that without listing specific rights, other important liberties would be overlooked. Despite some differences in understanding, all agreed on the importance of individual liberty in the United States.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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This podcast episode delves into the factors that make human beings coherent to groups, what causes group dynamics to dissolve, and the inevitable internal competitions for leadership within groups that occur universally in human societies.
1:25:04 - 1:33:35 (08:31)
Summary
This podcast episode delves into the factors that make human beings coherent to groups, what causes group dynamics to dissolve, and the inevitable internal competitions for leadership within groups that occur universally in human societies.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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Evaluating religious context and choosing a personal philosophy of life is important for individuals as they become adults.
1:33:35 - 1:44:29 (10:53)
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Evaluating religious context and choosing a personal philosophy of life is important for individuals as they become adults. After 3000 years of known history, society has evolved and individuals can evaluate and choose their values and how they want to live their lives.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
PodcastLex Fridman Podcast
The speaker discusses the importance of human relationships as a great invention that has been practiced for a long time.
1:44:29 - 1:48:58 (04:29)
Summary
The speaker discusses the importance of human relationships as a great invention that has been practiced for a long time. He urges individuals to seek out and choose the best relationships possible.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The desire of creative individuals to improve the world comes from their selfishness, which includes making things better for themselves and those they care about, including family, tribe, congregation, and nation.
1:48:58 - 1:56:50 (07:51)
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Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The speaker believes that religion and secular philosophy often give bad advice to people, leading them to do negative things.
1:56:50 - 2:02:03 (05:12)
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Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The voices we choose to follow in a culture influence our morality and ultimately our political principles.
2:02:03 - 2:07:58 (05:55)
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The voices we choose to follow in a culture influence our morality and ultimately our political principles. It's important to seek out good voices as followers, rather than bad ones.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The collapse of social cohesion in many societies and the rise of individualism is affecting the willingness of individuals to make choices for the whole rather than for self-expression or competition.
2:07:58 - 2:14:02 (06:03)
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The collapse of social cohesion in many societies and the rise of individualism is affecting the willingness of individuals to make choices for the whole rather than for self-expression or competition.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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Having children is an individual choice but a society with declining birth rates is at risk of being overrun.
2:14:02 - 2:19:01 (04:58)
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Having children is an individual choice but a society with declining birth rates is at risk of being overrun. Despite this, having children will continue to be a personal decision.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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If cultural backbone is dissolved and emphasis is truly given to the individual, it may lead to dissolution of marriage and conventional morality.
2:19:01 - 2:24:07 (05:06)
Summary
If cultural backbone is dissolved and emphasis is truly given to the individual, it may lead to dissolution of marriage and conventional morality. This concept can be destructive to both the individual and posterity by being unsustainable.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The speaker stresses the importance of thinking for oneself, despite the fact that individuals may have disparate responses to the same stimulus based on their value systems and beliefs.
2:24:07 - 2:28:33 (04:25)
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The speaker stresses the importance of thinking for oneself, despite the fact that individuals may have disparate responses to the same stimulus based on their value systems and beliefs. Not thinking for oneself can lead to a loss of agency and independence.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The love of one's country can be a contentious topic, especially when considering historical events and actions taken by those in power.
2:28:33 - 2:40:51 (12:18)
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The love of one's country can be a contentious topic, especially when considering historical events and actions taken by those in power. While some may feel love for their nation, others may not believe their country is worth loving.
Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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In this episode, the host discusses the moral ambiguity of Ayn Rand's philosophy, including the idea that love is always conditional and the lack of traditional societal structures in her novels.
2:40:51 - 2:44:43 (03:51)
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Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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2:44:43 - 2:50:32 (05:48)
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Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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2:50:32 - 2:57:35 (07:03)
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Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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2:57:36 - 3:02:30 (04:54)
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Episode#256 – Nationalism Debate: Yaron Brook and Yoram Hazony
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The emergence of new ventures and ideas inspires hope that innovation is not dead.
3:02:30 - 3:04:26 (01:55)
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