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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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Published: Thu Sep 03 2020
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The Psychedelic News Hour | | Brought to you by How to Lead: Wisdom from the World's Greatest CEOs, Founders, and Game Changers by David M. Rubenstein Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show, where it is normally my job to deconstruct world-class performers of various types, of all ilks. In this special episode, the tables are turned. Instead of interviewing someone else, I am interviewed by two experts on several topics I’ve both studied and supported, including psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy and what it can do to heal trauma and—broadly speaking—possible futures for mental health. This audio was recorded on a new show, The Psychedelic News Hour, soon to be a podcast, and I’m in conversation with two people: David Rabin, MD, PhD, (@drdavidrabin), a board-certified psychiatrist and neuroscientist, executive director of The Board of Medicine, and co-founder of Apollo Neuroscience, and Molly Maloof, MD, (@drmolly.co), a physician, Stanford lecturer, and ketamine-assisted psychotherapist.This episode was recorded on Clubhouse, an app still in private beta and defined by their tagline: “Clubhouse is a space for casual, drop-in audio conversations—with friends and other interesting people around the world.” One final note: I recorded this on my phone, a necessity for using the app, so the audio quality isn’t studio quality, but it was polished as much as possible. Thank you for understanding, and thanks to everyone who joined and asked thoughtful questions. This episode is brought to you by the book How to Lead by David Rubenstein. David Rubenstein is one of the visionary founders of The Carlyle Group and host of The David Rubenstein Show, where he speaks to leaders from every walk of life about who they are, how they define "success," and what it means to lead. Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Phil Knight, Oprah — all of them and more — are featured in his new book, titled How to Lead. This comprehensive leadership playbook illustrates the principles and guiding philosophies of the world’s greatest game-changers. In its pages, you can discover the experts’ secrets to being effective and innovative leaders. Past podcast guest Walter Isaacson had this to say: "Reading this invaluable trove of advice from the greatest leaders of our time is like sitting in an armchair and listening to the masters reveal their secrets.” Pick up a copy of How to Lead: Wisdom from the World’s Greatest CEOs, Founders, and Game Changers by David Rubinstein in hardcover, ebook, or audio anywhere books are sold. ***If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests.For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Interested in sponsoring the podcast? Please fill out the form at tim.blog/sponsor.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, and many more. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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In this episode, Tim Ferriss introduces David Rubinstein's book "How to Lead", which features exclusive interviews with some of the greatest leaders of our time, such as Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, Warren Buffett, and more, as they share their secrets on how to become effective and innovative leaders.
00:00 - 01:42 (01:42)
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Leadership
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In this episode, Tim Ferriss introduces David Rubinstein's book "How to Lead", which features exclusive interviews with some of the greatest leaders of our time, such as Jeff Bezos, Richard Branson, Warren Buffett, and more, as they share their secrets on how to become effective and innovative leaders.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
This podcast discusses how mental and physical health is interconnected and how psychedelic research is breaking the stigma and creating new treatments for mental health.
01:42 - 08:02 (06:20)
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mental health
Summary

This podcast discusses how mental and physical health is interconnected and how psychedelic research is breaking the stigma and creating new treatments for mental health. The guest on the podcast is an expert in this area and has invested in the field to aid research and development.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
Psychiatrist Dr. Will Van Derveer explains that the success of MDMA and ketamine-assisted psychotherapy is due to teaching patients to heal themselves, leading to long-lasting results for treatment-resistant PTSD.
08:02 - 18:46 (10:43)
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Ketamine- Assisted Psychotherapy, MDMA Therapy
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Psychiatrist Dr. Will Van Derveer explains that the success of MDMA and ketamine-assisted psychotherapy is due to teaching patients to heal themselves, leading to long-lasting results for treatment-resistant PTSD.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The power of belief, placebo, and nocebo effect play a significant role in the efficacy of clinical trials for trauma and PTSD treatment therapies.
18:46 - 30:54 (12:08)
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Clinical trials
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The power of belief, placebo, and nocebo effect play a significant role in the efficacy of clinical trials for trauma and PTSD treatment therapies. Combining psychotherapy treatment with MDMA catalyzes the radical safety and healing potential of the medication, showing a significant improvement in therapy outcomes.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The metaphor of warming clay and remoulding it to shape it to our preferred outcome is a powerful one applicable to various other areas of science and medicine.
30:54 - 37:30 (06:35)
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Psychedelic
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The metaphor of warming clay and remoulding it to shape it to our preferred outcome is a powerful one applicable to various other areas of science and medicine. This re-moulding of the clay is also applicable when engaging with psychedelics to shape our preferred outcomes to maximize the potential of our brains.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The speaker discusses the challenge of making therapy accessible to a larger population and changing the culture around seeking mental healthcare.
37:30 - 44:37 (07:07)
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Therapy accessibility
The speaker discusses the weakness of the psychedelic community, which is having everything become a priority and trying to do everything.
44:37 - 52:19 (07:41)
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Psychedelic
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The speaker discusses the weakness of the psychedelic community, which is having everything become a priority and trying to do everything. She focuses on self-compassion and how practicing patience is essential to allow things to unfold as they will without rushing, as rushing can lead to mistakes and self-incineration in the process.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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While the negative consequences of Ayahuasca and Psychedelic treatments are quite rare, there is still an unknown factor in its usage.
52:19 - 1:01:33 (09:13)
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Psychedelic Therapy
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While the negative consequences of Ayahuasca and Psychedelic treatments are quite rare, there is still an unknown factor in its usage. In addition, there are some natural frictions built into the controlled growth model of MDMA therapy that may cause issues.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The use of psychedelics in therapy can lead to miraculous recoveries in certain individuals, but they can also be dangerous if not in the hands of professionals.
1:01:33 - 1:06:40 (05:07)
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Psychedelics
Summary

The use of psychedelics in therapy can lead to miraculous recoveries in certain individuals, but they can also be dangerous if not in the hands of professionals. Ketamine is a safer alternative that can be used to start people out on a low dose.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The risks of habitual consumption of psychiatric medicines need to be addressed as more drugs are being approved and patents are being filed.
1:06:40 - 1:11:02 (04:22)
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Medicine
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The risks of habitual consumption of psychiatric medicines need to be addressed as more drugs are being approved and patents are being filed. We need to consider the long-term implications of patients relying on psychiatric medicines to fix their issues and ask important questions about the future of medicine.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The podcast discusses the importance of balancing the management of intellectual property as psychedelic medicine gains momentum and the role of psychedelics in restoring balance and unity in individuals and society, especially in light of the current issues of sexism and racism.
1:11:02 - 1:23:17 (12:14)
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Psychedelic medicine
Summary

The podcast discusses the importance of balancing the management of intellectual property as psychedelic medicine gains momentum and the role of psychedelics in restoring balance and unity in individuals and society, especially in light of the current issues of sexism and racism.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The hosts discuss exploring psychedelic drugs in a safe context, including journaling and trying non-chemical means of achieving non-ordinary states of consciousness such as breathwork.
1:23:17 - 1:31:15 (07:58)
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Psychedelics
Summary

The hosts discuss exploring psychedelic drugs in a safe context, including journaling and trying non-chemical means of achieving non-ordinary states of consciousness such as breathwork. They also address the misconception that bad trips are always bad experiences.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The podcast discusses the importance of prioritizing mental health and spreading awareness to de-stigmatize mental illness.
1:31:15 - 1:36:30 (05:15)
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Mental Health
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The podcast discusses the importance of prioritizing mental health and spreading awareness to de-stigmatize mental illness. The speaker encourages engagement and reaching out to advocates in the field of mental health to support and invest in these causes.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show
David Rubinstein hosts The David Rubinstein Show, a podcast that talks to leaders from all walks of life about their success and leadership strategies.
1:36:30 - 1:38:18 (01:47)
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Leadership
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David Rubinstein hosts The David Rubinstein Show, a podcast that talks to leaders from all walks of life about their success and leadership strategies. Additionally, Tim Ferriss hosts Five Bullet Friday, a short email that shares the coolest things Tim has found or has been thinking about over the week.

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#458: The Psychedelic News Hour: New Breakthroughs, Compound Comparisons and Warnings (Psilocybin/LSD/Ayahuasca/N,N-DMT/5-MeO-DMT), Treatment of Trauma, Scalable vs. Unscalable Approaches, Making Sense of “Bad” Trips, and Much More
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The Tim Ferriss Show