Episode

#352: Dr. Peter Attia vs. Tim Ferriss
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2:46:42
Published: Thu Dec 13 2018
Description

"Unhappiness is at the root of more pain, I would suspect, than any ailment that falls in the 'physical' body. And to think that we have compounds that could play such an important role that are really facing challenges in getting approved, I just find that really frustrating." — Dr. Peter AttiaThis is a special episode and features one of my dear friends.A number of guests have started incredible podcasts after being on this show as their first-ever podcast interview, including legendary Navy SEAL commander Jocko Willink.What people don't know is that Jocko was introduced to me by a fella named Peter Attia.Dr. Peter Attia (TW: @PeterAttiaMD, IG: @peterattiamd, peterattiamd.com) is a former ultra-endurance athlete (e.g., swimming races of 25 miles), a compulsive self-experimenter, and one of the most fascinating human beings I know. He is one of my go-to doctors for anything performance or longevity-related. He is also easily the best quarterback and sherpa for the US medical system I've ever met.But here is his official bio to do him justice:Peter is the founder of Attia Medical, PC, a medical practice with offices in San Diego and New York City, focusing on the applied science of longevity.Peter trained for five years at the Johns Hopkins Hospital in general surgery, where he was the recipient of several prestigious awards, including resident of the year, and the author of a comprehensive review of general surgery. He also spent two years at NIH as a surgical oncology fellow at the National Cancer Institute where his research focused on immune-based therapies for melanoma. He has since been mentored by some of the most experienced and innovative lipidologists, endocrinologists, gynecologists, sleep physiologists, and longevity scientists in the United States and Canada.Peter earned his M.D. from Stanford University and holds a B.Sc. in mechanical engineering and applied mathematics.In our conversation in this episode, Peter actually interviews me, though he shares a lot of his own experiences. It is audio from Peter's incredible podcast, The Peter Attia Drive, which can be found on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere podcasts are found. It is one of the few podcasts I listen to regularly.Many friends I've shared this particular episode with have now listened to it multiple times. It takes us both a few minutes to warm up, but then it goes really deep. These are many of things people like Peter and I aren't supposed to talk about publicly.Please enjoy!Click here for the show notes for this episode.This podcast is brought to you by Peloton, which has become a staple of my daily routine. I picked up this bike after seeing the success of my friend Kevin Rose, and I've been enjoying it more than I ever imagined. Peloton is an indoor cycling bike that brings live studio classes right to your home. No worrying about fitting classes into your busy schedule or making it to a studio with a crazy commute.New classes are added every day, and this includes options led by elite NYC instructors in your own living room. You can even live stream studio classes taught by the world's best instructors, or find your favorite class on demand.Peloton is offering listeners to this show a special offer. Visit onepeloton.com and enter the code TIM at checkout to receive $100 off accessories with your Peloton bike purchase. This is a great way to get in your workouts, or an incredible gift. Again, that's onepeloton.com and enter the code TIM.This episode is also brought to you by Walter Isaacson's #1 New York Times bestseller Leonardo da Vinci, which chronicles the life and times of the Renaissance genius while showing us how we can harness da Vinci's boundless curiosity and creativity. Not long ago, I also interviewed Walter about his writing and Leonardo, as I've known Walter for some time, and the book is spectacular. I think it's his best biography yet, and that's saying a lot considering how famous his bios of Benjamin Franklin, Einstein, and Steve Jobs are.Based on thousands of pages from Leonardo da Vinci's astonishing notebooks and new discoveries about his life and work, Walter Isaacson "reveals an intimate Leonardo" in a narrative that connects his art to his science. He shows how Leonardo's genius was based on skills we can improve in ourselves, such as passionate curiosity, careful observation, and an imagination so playful that it flirted with fantasy. Leonardo da Vinci by Walter Isaacson, published by Simon and Schuster, is available now wherever books are sold.***If you enjoy the podcast, would you please consider leaving a short review on Apple Podcasts/iTunes? It takes less than 60 seconds, and it really makes a difference in helping to convince hard-to-get guests. I also love reading the reviews!For show notes and past guests, please visit tim.blog/podcast.Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (“5-Bullet Friday”) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Interested in sponsoring the podcast? Please fill out the form at tim.blog/sponsor.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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The podcast episode is sponsored by indoor cycling bike Peloton and Walter Isaacson's New York Times bestseller, "Leonardo da Vinci".
00:00 - 04:35 (04:35)
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Peloton, "Leonardo da Vinci" book, indoor cycling, home workout, customization
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The podcast episode is sponsored by indoor cycling bike Peloton and Walter Isaacson's New York Times bestseller, "Leonardo da Vinci". The book provides insight into the life of Da Vinci while Peloton offers a home workout experience with various customized options.

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#352: Dr. Peter Attia vs. Tim Ferriss
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The Tim Ferriss Show
The podcast features snippets of Tim Ferriss interviewing amazing guests from various fields over the years, discussing their successes, routines, and philosophies on life.
04:35 - 11:59 (07:23)
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Tim Ferriss
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The podcast features snippets of Tim Ferriss interviewing amazing guests from various fields over the years, discussing their successes, routines, and philosophies on life. The last part of the podcast has Tim revealing the five things he still incorporates into his daily routine, despite having tried numerous personal optimization techniques over the years.

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The speaker challenges the notion that cities are unfriendly places and highlights the decency of people in New York and Southern California.
11:59 - 18:16 (06:17)
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Kindness
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Renowned author and tech investor, Tim Ferriss, spent years investigating and exploring potential treatments and interventions for mental health.
18:16 - 30:26 (12:10)
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Mental Health
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Renowned author and tech investor, Tim Ferriss, spent years investigating and exploring potential treatments and interventions for mental health. In this podcast episode, he offers a firsthand discussion on mental health, its different facets and its importance in improving the quality of life.

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Tim Ferriss talks about his journey, explorations, and the people he's interviewed on his podcast.
30:26 - 49:24 (18:58)
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Tim Ferriss
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Tim Ferriss talks about his journey, explorations, and the people he's interviewed on his podcast. He also shares his favorite book, "I Don't Want to Talk About It" by Terrence Real, and his experiences with psychedelic agents.

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#352: Dr. Peter Attia vs. Tim Ferriss
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Tim Ferriss takes us on a journey through his experience with several types of psychedelics, for both personal exploration and healing, including how he sets up protocols for his own self-experimentation.
49:25 - 1:07:28 (18:02)
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Psychedelics
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Tim Ferriss takes us on a journey through his experience with several types of psychedelics, for both personal exploration and healing, including how he sets up protocols for his own self-experimentation.

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This podcast episode explores the potential of psychedelics and mindfulness meditation in the healing process, as they can help individuals redirect their lives and deepen their self-awareness.
1:07:28 - 1:19:27 (11:58)
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Psychedelics/Mindfulness Meditation
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This podcast episode explores the potential of psychedelics and mindfulness meditation in the healing process, as they can help individuals redirect their lives and deepen their self-awareness.

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#352: Dr. Peter Attia vs. Tim Ferriss
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The speaker suggests trying different meditation apps, guides or books until finding one that resonates with you, and recommends some options like Headspace and Calm.
1:19:27 - 1:35:35 (16:07)
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Meditation
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The speaker suggests trying different meditation apps, guides or books until finding one that resonates with you, and recommends some options like Headspace and Calm. He also explains the difference between awareness meditation and other types of meditation and advises starting with a smaller commitment and reducing it if necessary.

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The conversation covers the history and present state of psychedelic medicine, including the breakthrough research and testing that is currently happening, as well as some of the implications such treatments could have.
1:35:35 - 1:53:34 (17:59)
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Psychedelic medicine
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The conversation covers the history and present state of psychedelic medicine, including the breakthrough research and testing that is currently happening, as well as some of the implications such treatments could have.

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The legalization of Psychedelic therapy is just the first hurdle as creating trained practitioners who can properly assess patients is the real challenge.
1:53:35 - 2:13:27 (19:51)
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Psychedelic Therapy
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The legalization of Psychedelic therapy is just the first hurdle as creating trained practitioners who can properly assess patients is the real challenge.

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People from the listenership and readership including some of the wealthiest people in the world suffering from debilitating depression, whose kids are addicted to heroin.
2:13:28 - 2:23:12 (09:43)
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Mental Health
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People from the listenership and readership including some of the wealthiest people in the world suffering from debilitating depression, whose kids are addicted to heroin. The episode also discusses how the problem of addiction and mental health is widespread not only among the common people but also the wealthiest individuals.

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The interviewee discusses their admiration for the book "Solve for Happy" by Mo Gawdat and how they find it to be one of the most gifted books they've shared.
2:23:12 - 2:27:55 (04:43)
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Solve for Happy
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The interviewee discusses their admiration for the book "Solve for Happy" by Mo Gawdat and how they find it to be one of the most gifted books they've shared. They also touch on their own writing process and whether there was anything they would have included in the book had they written it themselves.

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The podcast speaker discusses the concept of modular chapters in writing and his experience of conducting extreme experiments on himself for his book.
2:27:56 - 2:32:06 (04:10)
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Writing, Self-Experimentation
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The podcast speaker discusses the concept of modular chapters in writing and his experience of conducting extreme experiments on himself for his book.

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Tim Ferriss and Naval Ravikant discuss the importance of non reactivity training through meditation and how it helps in dealing with difficult situations throughout the day.
2:32:06 - 2:44:08 (12:02)
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Meditation
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Tim Ferriss and Naval Ravikant discuss the importance of non reactivity training through meditation and how it helps in dealing with difficult situations throughout the day. They also talk about the benefits of meta-meditation.

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#352: Dr. Peter Attia vs. Tim Ferriss
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Discover the cutting edge Peloton indoor cycling bike that brings the studio experience right to your home with live and on-demand classes to choose from based on length, music, intensity, and more.
2:44:08 - 2:46:33 (02:24)
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Peloton
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Discover the cutting edge Peloton indoor cycling bike that brings the studio experience right to your home with live and on-demand classes to choose from based on length, music, intensity, and more.

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#352: Dr. Peter Attia vs. Tim Ferriss
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